[Voterescue] transcript of Arnebeck and Fritakis interview

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Transcript below.
Transcript of the 7/17/2008 Velvet Revolution 
Interview with Cliff Arnebeck and Bob Fitrakis

Velvet Revolution: Cliff and Bob just had a press 
conference, talking about the next steps you are 
going to take in litigation. It looks like you're 
looking for discovery to understand the facts 
behind what happened in 2004 and make sure this 
doesn't happen in 2008.
Can you give us an idea of the kinds of people or 
the names of people that you intend to target?
Cliff Arnebeck: At the very top of the list is 
probably Mike Connell. For the same reason that 
Spoonamore is so valuable to us as a witness, 
Connell has a breadth of perspective in this 
stuff and when Connell, with his politics and his 
position, identifies Triad and the Rapp family as 
an area, as a point of vulnerability - Well, 
we're saying, if Connell makes the same 
observation --which we think he will because if 
you look at this objectively, it makes no sense. 
Here's a guy, he's a mathematician or an engineer 
or whatever; we anticipate he is going to say 
"Yeah, that looks odd."
So Connell's an important witness and because 
we're talking about a conspiracy, one of the 
problems is you say 'where's the coordination, 
where's the communication?' -- Here's one 
individual who's been part of all the elements of 
the things that we think are problematic.
Bob Fitrakis: He's a high IQ Forest Gump. It's 
like everything important -- 2000 election 
Florida; 2004 Ohio; firewall in Congress -- he 
happens to show up and be the builder of these 
[im]penetrable forces and also may know who has 
the key to get in.
VR: So he's at the scene of the crime... whether he's pulling the gun or not.
BF: Every single crime -- Well even more than 
that. He's the guy who made the gun.
VR: Now you mentioned KR [Karl Rove], who's been 
your interest in the deposition?
CA : The problem with a guy like KR everyone 
wants, here Bush has been identified as the 
architect, you're saying the corrupt elections, 
he's obviously someone you need to talk to. The 
problem is you don't build the foundation of 
getting the evidence out about 'Hey, this is 
obvious fraud' to the point where, 'If you don't 
appear, Mr. Rove, we're going to...the 
prosecutor's going to call.' That's the position 
we're really in. Mr. Rove is not going to step 
forward to help us put him in jail.
So we need to build the case on witnesses who 
will come forward to testify. That's why 
Connell's important.
Then we need to go after some of the people that 
are proved [to be] clearly engaged in fraudulent 
conduct, which appears to be the Rapp family in 
2000.
VR: What about, you mentioned Jack Abramoff, when 
I interviewed Alabama Governor Don Siegelman last 
week, he stated on camera that Abramoff and his 
henchman Mike Scanlon were the bagmen for Rove 
who... Is that why you were thinking or 
mentioning him?
CA: Mentioning Rove?
VR: No, mentioning Abramoff. In the press 
conference, you mentioned Abramoff was behind 
HAVA.
CA: Yeah, Abramoff and Grover Norquist. There are 
all these characters. You know what's interesting 
about some of these people? Well, first of all, 
Abramoff by virtue of the fact that he's willing 
to be more cooperative these days.
BF: Very small merry-go-round same basis, 
Connell, Abramoff, Bob Ney, Karl Rove keep coming 
around the Rapp family over and over again. And 
every place they go, what you find is illegal 
money laundering, the FBI, Justice Department 
launching investigations against Democrats. And 
even more interesting, since the [advent of the] 
electronic voting machines, what you find is 
tracking polls and exit polls that are predicting 
victories for Democrats -- as in Georgia in 2002, 
Ohio in 2004 -- that suddenly become unexpectedly 
flipped at the last second as if somebody had 
built a computer network and was essentially 
hacking the vote.
VR: Now I know you got into a little bit about 
Connell in this press conference -- and it wasn't 
really clear to me -- but it seemed like you were 
saying Connell had created the servers that were 
used to run the Ohio election results through 
Chattanooga TN, Smartech, and these are the same 
servers that house other GOP operations, 
including the email systems that Karl Rove and 
George Bush ...
BF: They're running through the .... ??
You have got to wonder why you get literally 
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of sites, 
partisan websites, sites like GW.com -- ah, even 
more important, the voter vault, which is 
essentially everyone that's probably voted in 
America -- that's in real time, that's 
Republicans updated during the election. And you 
know sites that go running to the White House and 
they're on the same integrated servers in this 
secure old bank building -- the old pioneer bank 
building in Chattanooga, Tennessee. You have to 
ask yourself why would the state of Ohio, at the 
last second, right when the unexpected vote flip 
comes, be outsourcing that in real time to 
Tennessee.
And why did Mr. Connell build such a system?
And I think the suggestion is that it might have 
been built in such a way that other people who 
have access to central tabulators know the vote 
count they need to win an election. because the 
exit polls are coming in all showing Kerry 
winning at 51:48. And then it's flipped, but it's 
flipped because these unexpected, unexplained 
results in these 14 Republican-dominated 
southwest counties. most of these that reported 
in later than in Cleveland and Columbus, both 
that still had people in line by court order in 
Franklin county until midnight.
So you've got, [which] hardly ever do, small 
rural areas report[ing] after the big cities 
where the polls are jammed and the polls are open 
by court order until midnight but historically 
this .. this is done by the wire services and 
other things. You need to know the exact vote you 
need to win. and they [Republicans] had a system 
in place.
...and that system was built by Mike Connell.
VR: Now, let me ask this because it was not clear 
to me in the press conference about the conflicts 
-- both actual and possible conflict of interest 
that Michael Connell is laboring under by 
handling George W. Bush's election campaign 
websites and, then, also Ken Blackwell's election 
websites and on the other side the election 
results for the state of Ohio.
BF: ...and the firewall of the U.S. Congress...
VR: ...and two of them being highly-partisan and 
one of them being supposedly nonpartisan. Now 
you've also got Connell handling Jeb Bush's 
website down in Florida. and then shortly after 
the inauguration of George Bush, Connell gets the 
first private company awarded contract allowing 
his company behind the firewall of the U.S. 
Congress and then he takes over House 
Intelligence, House Ways and Means, House 
Judiciary, Rules and Ethics -- the most important 
committees in congress.
I'm just wondering if you could talk about this conflict?
CA: if you think about it, as a government 
official, or as an agent of government, one of 
your jobs is to protect whatever you're 
responsible for from fraudulent manipulation. and 
if you -- in wearing that hat as the fiduciary of 
the public trust -- you see, you see indications 
of possible corruption.
But the source of the possible corruption is from 
the partisan side of things where you have, you 
wear a partisan hat. The problem is: Are you 
being scrupulous? are you being Štaking 
aggressive countermeasures as you would if you 
were completely independent? [But are you] when 
it's coming from a partisan, you know, when it's 
coming from your friends?
And that is the conflict of interest. Even if you 
have the ethical caliber that you can wear both 
hats at the same time, it certainly creates an 
appearance problem.
And when you combine that with the fact that 2004 
was stolen, it's clear, it's crystal clear and 
it's absolutely crystal clear that 2000 was 
stolen. so here are two stolen elections. and 
here's a guy wearing this government hat, and it 
sure looks like he was not protecting the system 
against data, uh, fraudulent data manipulation 
which should be part of his responsibility as the 
government, the agent of the government.
BF: when you take the most partisan IT man in the 
history of the US, every time an irregularity 
occurs, Florida 2000, 2004 Ohio, he's the guy who 
built the system.
Then you put him in charge of building the 
security and firewall for the U.S. Congress? 
Dealing with the most sensitive matters? All of 
the emails and communications of the party that 
he hates?
Uh, how can you do that? I mean, it's an invitation to spy.
It's an invitation to gather information in an information age.
Knowledge is power. He holds the secrets of the temple.
The most partisan IT man on earth [who] was at 
the scene of every crime is the [very] guy who's 
protecting the secrecy and security of the 
Democrats he despises.
That's what's wrong about it.
VR: Thank you very much, I look forward to seeing how this case proceeds.
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