[Voterescue] NH recount--yes !
Vickie Karp
karp at mail.com
Sun Jan 20 13:42:19 CST 2008
The decision not to allow the Republican recount because of a Paypal
snafu was reversed and in fact the money has been paid for a full recount
on the Republican side, which I believe began on Friday. It will take
awhile, I've heard "weeks" as an estimate. Not sure. The Democrats are
still raising money to make a complete recount happen. The cost is
something like 24 cents per ballot. The estimated total cost for the
Democrats is around $66,000. Had Obama done it, it would've cost $2000,
because of the close margin his results showed compared to Hillary. I
will be going to New Hampshire tomorrow to assist in some type of recount
monitoring effort, and will be sending back reports of anything of
interest as I can. Vickie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Lobdill"
To: "charlotte brown" , voterescue at voterescue.org
Subject: [Voterescue] NH recount--yes or no?
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:19:01 -0600
I am so disgusted at all that has happened since I became involved in
research in design of voting systems that I have not had the stomach
for following this year's primaries closely.
Is there going to be a COMPLETE public hand recount of all votes cast
in the NH primary or not? Anything less than a full recount of all
votes for all candidates is worthless.
Jerry Lobdill
At 08:28 PM 1/19/2008, you wrote:
As far as I can tell from Albert Howard's website the recount is
a GO. I think this is older information.
Go here and read for yourself! The republican recount is ON.
http://alberthoward.org/reco.aspx
Charlotte Brown
512.524.0797 land
Austin, Texas
Check out my website! www.armoryinfo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Lobdill <lobdillj at charter.net>
To: voterescue at voterescue.org
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:25:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Voterescue] Voterescue Digest, Vol 6, Issue 14--my
response
This is what is known as a CLUSTER_F@!%!
Will there ever come a time when patriots will storm the Bastille
in this nation? It's past time for action. We are doomed.
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1. Republican recount nixed due to "snafu" with
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2. Update from Bev Harris on NH recount situation (Vickie
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Subject: [Voterescue] Republican recount nixed due to "snafu"
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I do not know the author of this e-mail, but my understanding
of the events he lays out is accurate. ~ Vickie
Shaun @ Start The Revolution wrote:
I do not know where to begin with all of this so I will
just lay out the basic facts as they are being reported
to me:
1. The state of New Hampshire ballot appeared to have
been tampered with.
2. The people of America (and about half of the world
too!) pulled together to sign a petition and have
their voice heard, across the aisle, in an effort
that has seen both Democrats and Republicans call for
a recount of the ballots for the state of New
Hampshire.
3. The Secretary of State placed a January 15th @ 15:00
deadline for the $55,600 to be handed over to cover
the cost of the recount.
4. The money was raised by, again, people from all
walks of life who simply wanted to see that every
vote was counted.
5. At the very last moment, PayPal froze the Granny
Warriors account and refused to release the funds
whilst they “investigated” a “suspicious” $1000
donation.
6. The money could not be handed over and thus, at this
point in time, it appears that the recount will NOT
take place.
So, the following is what we are meant to believe:
1. PayPal have clearly not been paying ANY attention to
what has been happening during this campaign and thus
have no idea how quickly and in what amounts the Ron
Paul Revolution is able to raise funds.
2. PayPal were clearly unaware that Ron Paul supporters
were in the majority of those donating to this effort
and would likely break the target REGARDLESS of what
last minute donations were required.
3. PayPal were so unlucky during the four days that
this appeal ran that they managed to:
1. Crash the original ChipIn at least 3 times
making it impossible during this time to donate
any money at all.
2. Destroy the original ChipIn altogether after
around $40,000 had been donated requiring the
Granny Warriors to start a new ChipIn for the
remaining monies.
3. Crash the new ChipIn for about 2 hours on and
off on the final fundraising date.
4. Stop the recount by denying that all and any
funds received are now frozen (note: NOT just the
$1000 which, by this point, was no longer needed
as we were over the top by then) pending an
investigation into where a perfectly decent sized
donation came from.
4. The Secretary of State is unable to stretch the
deadline or accept that said funds exist regardless
of the amount of documented evidence placed on his
desk.
5. This entirely calamitous and accidental chain of
events was, at no point whatsoever, manipulated by
anybody to ensure that this recount never took place.
I am sorry but I do not believe for one second that 1
through 4 could possibly have happened without 5 being
false.
I never will either.
This is democracy being stolen, right in front of our
eyes and we are watching it, some in disbelief, some in
denial, all in bond.
America has been stolen and the vote with it.
I do not know what comes next. What new horrors? What new
wars? What new laws?
I fear for the future of America.
Best wishes and good luck,
Shaun
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Subject: [Voterescue] Update from Bev Harris on NH recount
situation
Message: 2
Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 9:15 pm by Bev Harris
on www.blackboxvoting.org :
At this point we can pretty much guarantee the New Hampshire
recount for Kucinich will match -- and that's not a good
thing, because unless chain of custody can be documented
properly, the recount doesn't provide real answers.
Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich did not order a
statewide recount today, only two counties, and the
Republican candidate, Albert Howard, was cut out of the
recount altogether. I'll write more on the details later this
week.
I have been doing field work since Saturday here in New
Hampshire. Donations have been helping underwrite the costs
of a citizen dream team: I invited some outstanding people to
join me here to evaluate chain of custody for the recount:
Susan Pynchon (Florida Fair Elections Coalition, has helped
unravel the Sarasota situation); Melisa Urda (Illinois Ballot
Integrity Project, has helped get the Illinois attorney
general to issue a special directive ordering DuPage County
to follow the law); and Paddy Shaffer (Ohio Election Justice
Campaign, with Richard Hayes Phillips helped unravel the
ballot chain of custody in Ohio). Others, like Election
Defense Alliance Sally Castleman, have been organizing a team
of citizen videographers, while Bruce O'Dell and Theron
Horton have been quietly crunching the numbers to pinpoint
locations with unusual footprints. (I also hoped to have the
great Kathleen Wynne, but had to red-eye out to New Hampshire
on such short notice that the timing didn't work this time.)
VERDICT: New Hampshire is unable to document its chain of
custody properly, lacks written procedures, its secretary of
state has said he doesn't know where its memory cards are,
and LHS has been encroaching on state elections with
near-total control. I'll be preparing a Special Report when I
return from New Hampshire with documents and video to support
this assessment.
VIDEO CAMERA CONFISCATION?
In New Hampshire, ballots are brought from each town and ward
to a central location for recounts. We got a tip today that
the location would be the state archive building, so we went
there hoping for a walk-through.
There, police told us that videotaping the delivery of the
ballots and the unloading of the ballots, would be prohibited
and cameras would be confiscated if people were caught doing
this. The rationale, we were told, was that they had placed
the ballot delivery area in a state building with a parking
lot that belonged to a mental hospital located on the grounds
about a block away. On the theory that cameras might catch a
mental patient wandering around and invade his privacy, all
videotaping would be prohibited.
Now, there was 14 inches of snow yesterday and the drifts and
mounds are up to 10 feet high, so the idea that a mental
patient could even walk through this to the state archives to
get their privacy invaded by a camera filming ballot
unloading seemed preposterous. Paddy Shaffer got on the horn
and called the chief of the "campus police" handling the
mental hospital and he confirmed that cameras would be
confiscated. We later alerted Secretary of State Bill
Gardner, who called off the police video-busting rule.
SECRECY IN CHAIN OF CUSTODY
One official told us he thought the location of the delivered
ballots should be a secret and that there would be no public
observation of the intake process. We asked for the written
procedures for the ballot intake and he said he hadn't been
provided with any. Another member of the secretary of state's
office said he could not confirm or deny that the ballots
would be delivered to the archive building at all, and when
you see the video of this you'll see that this was
evasiveness, not lack of information.
We received a verbal description of the check-in process,
which included a list of locations coming in and a check-off
sheet. When we asked about the observaton area the official
left, then came back and said no ballots would be delivered
to the archives. Later, we learned that they would, after
all, be delivered to the archives but only one city at a
time. No written procedures for any of this, and quite a
confusing time was being had by all.
"TRUST ME ELECTIONS"
A member of the Kucinich campaign tried to "wave me off" from
looking into ballot chain of custody this evening. Another
member of the Kucinich campaign said she has 100% confidence
in the ballot chain of custody, even though, when I asked,
she admitted she didn't know where the ballots go after
leaving the towns.
This should be a huge concern for us. As the previous
article, "Walking into a trap?" indicates, if you order a
recount without first getting answers to the chain of custody
questions, you may end up with a sham recount with stuffed or
substituted ballots. No candidate's campaign should be
satisfied with "trust" without asking and demanding answers
to chain of custody questions.
I was told by one of the Kucinich people that chain of
custody has always been completely trustworthy in the past,
and that I should stick to securing the memory cards and
chips and not get into ballot chain of custody issues. Basing
an analysis of the CURRENT chain of custody on past (or
imagined) chain of custody perceptions is like saying, "I
won't lock the door tonight because I have locked it in the
past."
WHAT'S NEXT?
They are recounting Manchester ballots tomorrow.
PREDICTION: They'll match all right. Exactly as Nancy Tobi
predicted. This recount will be used to illustrate that the
LHS-coded voting machines should be trusted.
It's very difficult to prepare articles with documentation
and video while spending days and nights in the field, but I
hope to get more information to you shortly about some of the
field work of Susan Pynchon and Melisa Urda, who visited New
Hampshire election sites asking questions about ballot
accounting procedures, memory card storage, and looking into
various questions. They obtained a fairly horrific document
from LHS Associates.
Stay tuned.
Bev Harris, Founder and Director
Black Box Voting (www.blackboxvoting.org)
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