[Voterescue] NH recount--yes or no?
Karen Renick
karen at voterescue.org
Sun Jan 20 13:15:10 CST 2008
/Hi, Jerry,
Our understanding at this point is that full recounts are //intended.
However, candidates have been "persuaded" in the past to curtail
recounts, as we all know. There were rumors that Kucinich was
contemplating a partial recount. The next few days will tell us if they
are in fact true.
As good luck would have it, we will have our very own reporter on the
scene in New Hampshire all next week because *Vickie Karp* will be
flying up to help the Bev Harris Team observe what is happening and
perhaps even pitch in with the recount. I also just learned that Bob
Schulz of We The People will be broadcasting live from New Hampshire
with up- to-the-minute live reports. I will be sending out his
announcement shortly.
So, hang in there, Jerry, and news will be coming from the Granite State
for all of us!
And let this recount be a reminder that we should never take our
constitutional rights for "granite". (I couldn't resist.)
Karen/
Jerry Lobdill wrote:
> I am so disgusted at all that has happened since I became involved in
> research in design of voting systems that I have not had the stomach
> for following this year's primaries closely.
>
> Is there going to be a COMPLETE public hand recount of all votes cast
> in the NH primary or not? Anything less than a full recount of all
> votes for all candidates is worthless.
>
> Jerry Lobdill
>
> At 08:28 PM 1/19/2008, you wrote:
>> As far as I can tell from Albert Howard's website the recount is a
>> GO. I think this is older information.
>>
>> Go here and read for yourself! The republican recount is ON.
>> http://alberthoward.org/reco.aspx
>>
>>
>> Charlotte Brown
>> 512.524.0797 land
>> Austin, Texas
>>
>> Check out my website! www.armoryinfo.com <http://www.armoryinfo.com>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jerry Lobdill <lobdillj at charter.net>
>> To: voterescue at voterescue.org
>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:25:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Voterescue] Voterescue Digest, Vol 6, Issue 14--my response
>>
>> This is what is known as a CLUSTER_F@!%!
>>
>> Will there ever come a time when patriots will storm the Bastille in
>> this nation? It's past time for action. We are doomed.
>>
>> At 10:14 AM 1/16/2008, voterescue-request at voterescue.org wrote:
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>>> 1. Republican recount nixed due to "snafu" with Paypal funds
>>> (Vickie Karp)
>>> 2. Update from Bev Harris on NH recount situation (Vickie Karp)
>>>
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>> From: "Vickie Karp" <karp at mail.com>
>>> Precedence: list
>>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>>> To: voterescue at voterescue.org
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:04:20 -0500
>>> Message-ID: <20080116130420.A5C1383985 at ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>> boundary="_----------=_12004886607393"
>>> Subject: [Voterescue] Republican recount nixed due to "snafu" with
>>> Paypal funds
>>> Message: 1
>>>
>>> I do not know the author of this e-mail, but my understanding of the
>>> events he lays out is accurate. ~ Vickie
>>>
>>> Shaun @ Start The Revolution wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I do not know where to begin with all of this so I will just lay
>>>> out the basic facts as they are being reported to me:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. The state of New Hampshire ballot appeared to have been
>>>> tampered with.
>>>> 2. The people of America (and about half of the world too!)
>>>> pulled together to sign a petition and have their voice
>>>> heard, across the aisle, in an effort that has seen both
>>>> Democrats and Republicans call for a recount of the ballots
>>>> for the state of New Hampshire.
>>>> 3. The Secretary of State placed a January 15^th @ 15:00
>>>> deadline for the $55,600 to be handed over to cover the cost
>>>> of the recount.
>>>> 4. The money was raised by, again, people from all walks of life
>>>> who simply wanted to see that every vote was counted.
>>>> 5. At the very last moment, PayPal froze the Granny Warriors
>>>> account and refused to release the funds whilst they
>>>> "investigated" a "suspicious" $1000 donation.
>>>> 6. The money could not be handed over and thus, at this point in
>>>> time, it appears that the recount will NOT take place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, the following is what we are meant to believe:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. PayPal have clearly not been paying ANY attention to what has
>>>> been happening during this campaign and thus have no idea how
>>>> quickly and in what amounts the Ron Paul Revolution is able
>>>> to raise funds.
>>>> 2. PayPal were clearly unaware that Ron Paul supporters were in
>>>> the majority of those donating to this effort and would
>>>> likely break the target REGARDLESS of what last minute
>>>> donations were required.
>>>> 3. PayPal were so unlucky during the four days that this appeal
>>>> ran that they managed to:
>>>> 1. Crash the original ChipIn at least 3 times making it
>>>> impossible during this time to donate any money at all.
>>>> 2. Destroy the original ChipIn altogether after around
>>>> $40,000 had been donated requiring the Granny Warriors
>>>> to start a new ChipIn for the remaining monies.
>>>> 3. Crash the new ChipIn for about 2 hours on and off on
>>>> the final fundraising date.
>>>> 4. Stop the recount by denying that all and any funds
>>>> received are now frozen (note: NOT just the $1000
>>>> which, by this point, was no longer needed as we were
>>>> over the top by then) pending an investigation into
>>>> where a perfectly decent sized donation came from.
>>>> 4. The Secretary of State is unable to stretch the deadline or
>>>> accept that said funds exist regardless of the amount of
>>>> documented evidence placed on his desk.
>>>> 5. This entirely calamitous and accidental chain of events was,
>>>> at no point whatsoever, manipulated by anybody to ensure that
>>>> this recount never took place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry but I do not believe for one second that 1 through 4
>>>> could possibly have happened without 5 being false.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I never will either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is democracy being stolen, right in front of our eyes and we
>>>> are watching it, some in disbelief, some in denial, all in bond.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> America has been stolen and the vote with it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not know what comes next. What new horrors? What new wars?
>>>> What new laws?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I fear for the future of America.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes and good luck,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shaun
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>> From: "Vickie Karp" <karp at mail.com>
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>>> Cc: ge.griffin at verizon.net, angelastark at ca.rr.com
>>> To: voterescue at voterescue.org
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:14:37 -0500
>>> Message-ID: <20080116161437.452F149B6CA at ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
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>>> Subject: [Voterescue] Update from Bev Harris on NH recount situation
>>> Message: 2
>>>
>>> Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 9:15 pm by Bev Harris on
>>> www.blackboxvoting.org <http://www.blackboxvoting.org> :
>>>
>>> At this point we can pretty much guarantee the New Hampshire recount
>>> for Kucinich will match -- and that's not a good thing, because
>>> unless chain of custody can be documented properly, the recount
>>> doesn't provide real answers.
>>>
>>> Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich did not order a statewide
>>> recount today, only two counties, and the Republican candidate,
>>> Albert Howard, was cut out of the recount altogether. I'll write
>>> more on the details later this week.
>>>
>>> I have been doing field work since Saturday here in New Hampshire.
>>> Donations have been helping underwrite the costs of a citizen dream
>>> team: I invited some outstanding people to join me here to evaluate
>>> chain of custody for the recount: *Susan Pynchon* (Florida Fair
>>> Elections Coalition, has helped unravel the Sarasota situation);
>>> *Melisa Urda* (Illinois Ballot Integrity Project, has helped get the
>>> Illinois attorney general to issue a special directive ordering
>>> DuPage County to follow the law); and *Paddy Shaffer *(Ohio Election
>>> Justice Campaign, with Richard Hayes Phillips helped unravel the
>>> ballot chain of custody in Ohio). Others, like Election Defense
>>> Alliance *Sally Castleman*, have been organizing a team of citizen
>>> videographers, while *Bruce O'Dell* and *Theron Horton* have been
>>> quietly crunching the numbers to pinpoint locations with unusual
>>> footprints. (I also hoped to have the great *Kathleen Wynne*, but
>>> had to red-eye out to New Hampshire on such short notice that the
>>> timing didn't work this time.)
>>>
>>> *VERDICT:* New Hampshire is unable to document its chain of custody
>>> properly, lacks written procedures, its secretary of state has said
>>> he doesn't know where its memory cards are, and LHS has been
>>> encroaching on state elections with near-total control. I'll be
>>> preparing a Special Report when I return from New Hampshire with
>>> documents and video to support this assessment.
>>>
>>> *VIDEO CAMERA CONFISCATION?*
>>>
>>> In New Hampshire, ballots are brought from each town and ward to a
>>> central location for recounts. We got a tip today that the location
>>> would be the state archive building, so we went there hoping for a
>>> walk-through.
>>>
>>> There, police told us that videotaping the delivery of the ballots
>>> and the unloading of the ballots, would be prohibited and cameras
>>> would be confiscated if people were caught doing this. The
>>> rationale, we were told, was that they had placed the ballot
>>> delivery area in a state building with a parking lot that belonged
>>> to a mental hospital located on the grounds about a block away. On
>>> the theory that cameras might catch a mental patient wandering
>>> around and invade his privacy, all videotaping would be prohibited.
>>>
>>> Now, there was 14 inches of snow yesterday and the drifts and mounds
>>> are up to 10 feet high, so the idea that a mental patient could even
>>> walk through this to the state archives to get their privacy invaded
>>> by a camera filming ballot unloading seemed preposterous. Paddy
>>> Shaffer got on the horn and called the chief of the "campus police"
>>> handling the mental hospital and he confirmed that cameras would be
>>> confiscated. We later alerted Secretary of State Bill Gardner, who
>>> called off the police video-busting rule.
>>>
>>> *SECRECY IN CHAIN OF CUSTODY*
>>>
>>> One official told us he thought the location of the delivered
>>> ballots should be a secret and that there would be no public
>>> observation of the intake process. We asked for the written
>>> procedures for the ballot intake and he said he hadn't been provided
>>> with any. Another member of the secretary of state's office said he
>>> could not confirm or deny that the ballots would be delivered to the
>>> archive building at all, and when you see the video of this you'll
>>> see that this was evasiveness, not lack of information.
>>>
>>> We received a verbal description of the check-in process, which
>>> included a list of locations coming in and a check-off sheet. When
>>> we asked about the observaton area the official left, then came back
>>> and said no ballots would be delivered to the archives. Later, we
>>> learned that they would, after all, be delivered to the archives but
>>> only one city at a time. No written procedures for any of this, and
>>> quite a confusing time was being had by all.
>>>
>>> *"TRUST ME ELECTIONS"*
>>>
>>> A member of the Kucinich campaign tried to "wave me off" from
>>> looking into ballot chain of custody this evening. Another member of
>>> the Kucinich campaign said she has 100% confidence in the ballot
>>> chain of custody, even though, when I asked, she admitted she didn't
>>> know where the ballots go after leaving the towns.
>>>
>>> This should be a huge concern for us. As the previous article,
>>> "Walking into a trap?" indicates, if you order a recount without
>>> first getting answers to the chain of custody questions, you may end
>>> up with a sham recount with stuffed or substituted ballots. No
>>> candidate's campaign should be satisfied with "trust" without asking
>>> and demanding answers to chain of custody questions.
>>>
>>> I was told by one of the Kucinich people that chain of custody has
>>> always been completely trustworthy in the past, and that I should
>>> stick to securing the memory cards and chips and not get into ballot
>>> chain of custody issues. Basing an analysis of the CURRENT chain of
>>> custody on past (or imagined) chain of custody perceptions is like
>>> saying, "I won't lock the door tonight because I have locked it in
>>> the past."
>>>
>>> *WHAT'S NEXT?*
>>>
>>> They are recounting Manchester ballots tomorrow.
>>>
>>> *PREDICTION*: They'll match all right. Exactly as Nancy Tobi
>>> predicted. This recount will be used to illustrate that the
>>> LHS-coded voting machines should be trusted.
>>>
>>> It's very difficult to prepare articles with documentation and video
>>> while spending days and nights in the field, but I hope to get more
>>> information to you shortly about some of the field work of Susan
>>> Pynchon and Melisa Urda, who visited New Hampshire election sites
>>> asking questions about ballot accounting procedures, memory card
>>> storage, and looking into various questions. They obtained a fairly
>>> horrific document from LHS Associates.
>>>
>>> Stay tuned.
>>>
>>> Bev Harris, Founder and Director
>>> Black Box Voting (www.blackboxvoting.org
>>> <http://www.blackboxvoting.org>)
>>>
>>>
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