[Voterescue] NH recount--yes or no?
Jerry Lobdill
lobdillj at charter.net
Sun Jan 20 06:19:01 CST 2008
I am so disgusted at all that has happened since I became involved in
research in design of voting systems that I have not had the stomach
for following this year's primaries closely.
Is there going to be a COMPLETE public hand recount of all votes cast
in the NH primary or not? Anything less than a full recount of all
votes for all candidates is worthless.
Jerry Lobdill
At 08:28 PM 1/19/2008, you wrote:
>As far as I can tell from Albert Howard's website the recount is a
>GO. I think this is older information.
>
>Go here and read for yourself! The republican recount is ON.
><http://alberthoward.org/reco.aspx>http://alberthoward.org/reco.aspx
>
>
>Charlotte Brown
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>----- Original Message ----
>From: Jerry Lobdill <lobdillj at charter.net>
>To: voterescue at voterescue.org
>Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:25:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [Voterescue] Voterescue Digest, Vol 6, Issue 14--my response
>
>This is what is known as a CLUSTER_F@!%!
>
>Will there ever come a time when patriots will storm the Bastille in
>this nation? It's past time for action. We are doomed.
>
>At 10:14 AM 1/16/2008, voterescue-request at voterescue.org wrote:
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>>Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Republican recount nixed due to "snafu" with Paypal funds
>> (Vickie Karp)
>> 2. Update from Bev Harris on NH recount situation (Vickie Karp)
>>
>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>From: "Vickie Karp" <karp at mail.com>
>>Precedence: list
>>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>To: voterescue at voterescue.org
>>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:04:20 -0500
>>Message-ID: <20080116130420.A5C1383985 at ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
>>Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_12004886607393"
>>Subject: [Voterescue] Republican recount nixed due to "snafu" with
>>Paypal funds
>>Message: 1
>>
>>I do not know the author of this e-mail, but my understanding of
>>the events he lays out is accurate. ~ Vickie
>>
>>Shaun @ Start The Revolution wrote:
>>>
>>>I do not know where to begin with all of this so I will just lay
>>>out the basic facts as they are being reported to me:
>>>
>>>
>>> * The state of New Hampshire ballot appeared to have been
>>> tampered with.
>>> * The people of America (and about half of the world too!)
>>> pulled together to sign a petition and have their voice heard,
>>> across the aisle, in an effort that has seen both Democrats and
>>> Republicans call for a recount of the ballots for the state of New Hampshire.
>>> * The Secretary of State placed a January 15th @ 15:00
>>> deadline for the $55,600 to be handed over to cover the cost of the recount.
>>> * The money was raised by, again, people from all walks of
>>> life who simply wanted to see that every vote was counted.
>>> * At the very last moment, PayPal froze the Granny Warriors
>>> account and refused to release the funds whilst they
>>> "investigated" a "suspicious" $1000 donation.
>>> * The money could not be handed over and thus, at this point
>>> in time, it appears that the recount will NOT take place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>So, the following is what we are meant to believe:
>>>
>>>
>>> * PayPal have clearly not been paying ANY attention to what
>>> has been happening during this campaign and thus have no idea how
>>> quickly and in what amounts the Ron Paul Revolution is able to raise funds.
>>> * PayPal were clearly unaware that Ron Paul supporters were in
>>> the majority of those donating to this effort and would likely
>>> break the target REGARDLESS of what last minute donations were required.
>>> * PayPal were so unlucky during the four days that this appeal
>>> ran that they managed to:
>>> * Crash the original ChipIn at least 3 times making it
>>> impossible during this time to donate any money at all.
>>> * Destroy the original ChipIn altogether after around
>>> $40,000 had been donated requiring the Granny Warriors to start a
>>> new ChipIn for the remaining monies.
>>> * Crash the new ChipIn for about 2 hours on and off on the
>>> final fundraising date.
>>> * Stop the recount by denying that all and any funds
>>> received are now frozen (note: NOT just the $1000 which, by this
>>> point, was no longer needed as we were over the top by then)
>>> pending an investigation into where a perfectly decent sized
>>> donation came from.
>>> * The Secretary of State is unable to stretch the deadline or
>>> accept that said funds exist regardless of the amount of
>>> documented evidence placed on his desk.
>>> * This entirely calamitous and accidental chain of events was,
>>> at no point whatsoever, manipulated by anybody to ensure that
>>> this recount never took place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I am sorry but I do not believe for one second that 1 through 4
>>>could possibly have happened without 5 being false.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I never will either.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This is democracy being stolen, right in front of our eyes and we
>>>are watching it, some in disbelief, some in denial, all in bond.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>America has been stolen and the vote with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I do not know what comes next. What new horrors? What new wars?
>>>What new laws?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I fear for the future of America.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Best wishes and good luck,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Shaun
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>From: "Vickie Karp" <karp at mail.com>
>>Precedence: list
>>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>Cc: ge.griffin at verizon.net, angelastark at ca.rr.com
>>To: voterescue at voterescue.org
>>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:14:37 -0500
>>Message-ID: <20080116161437.452F149B6CA at ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
>>Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_1200500077248004"
>>Subject: [Voterescue] Update from Bev Harris on NH recount situation
>>Message: 2
>>
>>Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 9:15 pm by Bev Harris on
>><http://www.blackboxvoting.org>www.blackboxvoting.org :
>>
>>At this point we can pretty much guarantee the New Hampshire
>>recount for Kucinich will match -- and that's not a good thing,
>>because unless chain of custody can be documented properly, the
>>recount doesn't provide real answers.
>>
>>Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich did not order a statewide
>>recount today, only two counties, and the Republican candidate,
>>Albert Howard, was cut out of the recount altogether. I'll write
>>more on the details later this week.
>>
>>I have been doing field work since Saturday here in New Hampshire.
>>Donations have been helping underwrite the costs of a citizen dream
>>team: I invited some outstanding people to join me here to evaluate
>>chain of custody for the recount: Susan Pynchon (Florida Fair
>>Elections Coalition, has helped unravel the Sarasota situation);
>>Melisa Urda (Illinois Ballot Integrity Project, has helped get the
>>Illinois attorney general to issue a special directive ordering
>>DuPage County to follow the law); and Paddy Shaffer (Ohio Election
>>Justice Campaign, with Richard Hayes Phillips helped unravel the
>>ballot chain of custody in Ohio). Others, like Election Defense
>>Alliance Sally Castleman, have been organizing a team of citizen
>>videographers, while Bruce O'Dell and Theron Horton have been
>>quietly crunching the numbers to pinpoint locations with unusual
>>footprints. (I also hoped to have the great Kathleen Wynne, but had
>>to red-eye out to New Hampshire on such short notice that the
>>timing didn't work this time.)
>>
>>VERDICT: New Hampshire is unable to document its chain of custody
>>properly, lacks written procedures, its secretary of state has said
>>he doesn't know where its memory cards are, and LHS has been
>>encroaching on state elections with near-total control. I'll be
>>preparing a Special Report when I return from New Hampshire with
>>documents and video to support this assessment.
>>
>>VIDEO CAMERA CONFISCATION?
>>
>>In New Hampshire, ballots are brought from each town and ward to a
>>central location for recounts. We got a tip today that the location
>>would be the state archive building, so we went there hoping for a
>>walk-through.
>>
>>There, police told us that videotaping the delivery of the ballots
>>and the unloading of the ballots, would be prohibited and cameras
>>would be confiscated if people were caught doing this. The
>>rationale, we were told, was that they had placed the ballot
>>delivery area in a state building with a parking lot that belonged
>>to a mental hospital located on the grounds about a block away. On
>>the theory that cameras might catch a mental patient wandering
>>around and invade his privacy, all videotaping would be prohibited.
>>
>>Now, there was 14 inches of snow yesterday and the drifts and
>>mounds are up to 10 feet high, so the idea that a mental patient
>>could even walk through this to the state archives to get their
>>privacy invaded by a camera filming ballot unloading seemed
>>preposterous. Paddy Shaffer got on the horn and called the chief of
>>the "campus police" handling the mental hospital and he confirmed
>>that cameras would be confiscated. We later alerted Secretary of
>>State Bill Gardner, who called off the police video-busting rule.
>>
>>SECRECY IN CHAIN OF CUSTODY
>>
>>One official told us he thought the location of the delivered
>>ballots should be a secret and that there would be no public
>>observation of the intake process. We asked for the written
>>procedures for the ballot intake and he said he hadn't been
>>provided with any. Another member of the secretary of state's
>>office said he could not confirm or deny that the ballots would be
>>delivered to the archive building at all, and when you see the
>>video of this you'll see that this was evasiveness, not lack of information.
>>
>>We received a verbal description of the check-in process, which
>>included a list of locations coming in and a check-off sheet. When
>>we asked about the observaton area the official left, then came
>>back and said no ballots would be delivered to the archives. Later,
>>we learned that they would, after all, be delivered to the archives
>>but only one city at a time. No written procedures for any of this,
>>and quite a confusing time was being had by all.
>>
>>"TRUST ME ELECTIONS"
>>
>>A member of the Kucinich campaign tried to "wave me off" from
>>looking into ballot chain of custody this evening. Another member
>>of the Kucinich campaign said she has 100% confidence in the ballot
>>chain of custody, even though, when I asked, she admitted she
>>didn't know where the ballots go after leaving the towns.
>>
>>This should be a huge concern for us. As the previous article,
>>"Walking into a trap?" indicates, if you order a recount without
>>first getting answers to the chain of custody questions, you may
>>end up with a sham recount with stuffed or substituted ballots. No
>>candidate's campaign should be satisfied with "trust" without
>>asking and demanding answers to chain of custody questions.
>>
>>I was told by one of the Kucinich people that chain of custody has
>>always been completely trustworthy in the past, and that I should
>>stick to securing the memory cards and chips and not get into
>>ballot chain of custody issues. Basing an analysis of the CURRENT
>>chain of custody on past (or imagined) chain of custody perceptions
>>is like saying, "I won't lock the door tonight because I have
>>locked it in the past."
>>
>>WHAT'S NEXT?
>>
>>They are recounting Manchester ballots tomorrow.
>>
>>PREDICTION: They'll match all right. Exactly as Nancy Tobi
>>predicted. This recount will be used to illustrate that the
>>LHS-coded voting machines should be trusted.
>>
>>It's very difficult to prepare articles with documentation and
>>video while spending days and nights in the field, but I hope to
>>get more information to you shortly about some of the field work of
>>Susan Pynchon and Melisa Urda, who visited New Hampshire election
>>sites asking questions about ballot accounting procedures, memory
>>card storage, and looking into various questions. They obtained a
>>fairly horrific document from LHS Associates.
>>
>>Stay tuned.
>>
>>Bev Harris, Founder and Director
>>Black Box Voting (<http://www.blackboxvoting.org>www.blackboxvoting.org)
>>
>>
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