[Voterescue] Voterescue Digest, Vol 6, Issue 14--my response
Jerry Lobdill
lobdillj at charter.net
Sat Jan 19 19:25:41 CST 2008
This is what is known as a CLUSTER_F@!%!
Will there ever come a time when patriots will storm the Bastille in
this nation? It's past time for action. We are doomed.
At 10:14 AM 1/16/2008, voterescue-request at voterescue.org wrote:
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> 1. Republican recount nixed due to "snafu" with Paypal funds
> (Vickie Karp)
> 2. Update from Bev Harris on NH recount situation (Vickie Karp)
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>From: "Vickie Karp" <karp at mail.com>
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>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:04:20 -0500
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>Subject: [Voterescue] Republican recount nixed due to "snafu" with
>Paypal funds
>Message: 1
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>I do not know the author of this e-mail, but my understanding of the
>events he lays out is accurate. ~ Vickie
>
>Shaun @ Start The Revolution wrote:
>>
>>I do not know where to begin with all of this so I will just lay
>>out the basic facts as they are being reported to me:
>>
>>
>> * The state of New Hampshire ballot appeared to have been tampered with.
>> * The people of America (and about half of the world too!)
>> pulled together to sign a petition and have their voice heard,
>> across the aisle, in an effort that has seen both Democrats and
>> Republicans call for a recount of the ballots for the state of New Hampshire.
>> * The Secretary of State placed a January 15th @ 15:00 deadline
>> for the $55,600 to be handed over to cover the cost of the recount.
>> * The money was raised by, again, people from all walks of life
>> who simply wanted to see that every vote was counted.
>> * At the very last moment, PayPal froze the Granny Warriors
>> account and refused to release the funds whilst they
>> "investigated" a "suspicious" $1000 donation.
>> * The money could not be handed over and thus, at this point in
>> time, it appears that the recount will NOT take place.
>>
>>
>>
>>So, the following is what we are meant to believe:
>>
>>
>> * PayPal have clearly not been paying ANY attention to what has
>> been happening during this campaign and thus have no idea how
>> quickly and in what amounts the Ron Paul Revolution is able to raise funds.
>> * PayPal were clearly unaware that Ron Paul supporters were in
>> the majority of those donating to this effort and would likely
>> break the target REGARDLESS of what last minute donations were required.
>> * PayPal were so unlucky during the four days that this appeal
>> ran that they managed to:
>> * Crash the original ChipIn at least 3 times making it
>> impossible during this time to donate any money at all.
>> * Destroy the original ChipIn altogether after around
>> $40,000 had been donated requiring the Granny Warriors to start a
>> new ChipIn for the remaining monies.
>> * Crash the new ChipIn for about 2 hours on and off on the
>> final fundraising date.
>> * Stop the recount by denying that all and any funds
>> received are now frozen (note: NOT just the $1000 which, by this
>> point, was no longer needed as we were over the top by then)
>> pending an investigation into where a perfectly decent sized
>> donation came from.
>> * The Secretary of State is unable to stretch the deadline or
>> accept that said funds exist regardless of the amount of
>> documented evidence placed on his desk.
>> * This entirely calamitous and accidental chain of events was,
>> at no point whatsoever, manipulated by anybody to ensure that this
>> recount never took place.
>>
>>
>>
>>I am sorry but I do not believe for one second that 1 through 4
>>could possibly have happened without 5 being false.
>>
>>
>>
>>I never will either.
>>
>>
>>
>>This is democracy being stolen, right in front of our eyes and we
>>are watching it, some in disbelief, some in denial, all in bond.
>>
>>
>>
>>America has been stolen and the vote with it.
>>
>>
>>
>>I do not know what comes next. What new horrors? What new wars?
>>What new laws?
>>
>>
>>
>>I fear for the future of America.
>>
>>
>>
>>Best wishes and good luck,
>>
>>
>>
>>Shaun
>>
>>
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>Subject: [Voterescue] Update from Bev Harris on NH recount situation
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>At this point we can pretty much guarantee the New Hampshire recount
>for Kucinich will match -- and that's not a good thing, because
>unless chain of custody can be documented properly, the recount
>doesn't provide real answers.
>
>Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich did not order a statewide
>recount today, only two counties, and the Republican candidate,
>Albert Howard, was cut out of the recount altogether. I'll write
>more on the details later this week.
>
>I have been doing field work since Saturday here in New Hampshire.
>Donations have been helping underwrite the costs of a citizen dream
>team: I invited some outstanding people to join me here to evaluate
>chain of custody for the recount: Susan Pynchon (Florida Fair
>Elections Coalition, has helped unravel the Sarasota situation);
>Melisa Urda (Illinois Ballot Integrity Project, has helped get the
>Illinois attorney general to issue a special directive ordering
>DuPage County to follow the law); and Paddy Shaffer (Ohio Election
>Justice Campaign, with Richard Hayes Phillips helped unravel the
>ballot chain of custody in Ohio). Others, like Election Defense
>Alliance Sally Castleman, have been organizing a team of citizen
>videographers, while Bruce O'Dell and Theron Horton have been
>quietly crunching the numbers to pinpoint locations with unusual
>footprints. (I also hoped to have the great Kathleen Wynne, but had
>to red-eye out to New Hampshire on such short notice that the timing
>didn't work this time.)
>
>VERDICT: New Hampshire is unable to document its chain of custody
>properly, lacks written procedures, its secretary of state has said
>he doesn't know where its memory cards are, and LHS has been
>encroaching on state elections with near-total control. I'll be
>preparing a Special Report when I return from New Hampshire with
>documents and video to support this assessment.
>
>VIDEO CAMERA CONFISCATION?
>
>In New Hampshire, ballots are brought from each town and ward to a
>central location for recounts. We got a tip today that the location
>would be the state archive building, so we went there hoping for a
>walk-through.
>
>There, police told us that videotaping the delivery of the ballots
>and the unloading of the ballots, would be prohibited and cameras
>would be confiscated if people were caught doing this. The
>rationale, we were told, was that they had placed the ballot
>delivery area in a state building with a parking lot that belonged
>to a mental hospital located on the grounds about a block away. On
>the theory that cameras might catch a mental patient wandering
>around and invade his privacy, all videotaping would be prohibited.
>
>Now, there was 14 inches of snow yesterday and the drifts and mounds
>are up to 10 feet high, so the idea that a mental patient could even
>walk through this to the state archives to get their privacy invaded
>by a camera filming ballot unloading seemed preposterous. Paddy
>Shaffer got on the horn and called the chief of the "campus police"
>handling the mental hospital and he confirmed that cameras would be
>confiscated. We later alerted Secretary of State Bill Gardner, who
>called off the police video-busting rule.
>
>SECRECY IN CHAIN OF CUSTODY
>
>One official told us he thought the location of the delivered
>ballots should be a secret and that there would be no public
>observation of the intake process. We asked for the written
>procedures for the ballot intake and he said he hadn't been provided
>with any. Another member of the secretary of state's office said he
>could not confirm or deny that the ballots would be delivered to the
>archive building at all, and when you see the video of this you'll
>see that this was evasiveness, not lack of information.
>
>We received a verbal description of the check-in process, which
>included a list of locations coming in and a check-off sheet. When
>we asked about the observaton area the official left, then came back
>and said no ballots would be delivered to the archives. Later, we
>learned that they would, after all, be delivered to the archives but
>only one city at a time. No written procedures for any of this, and
>quite a confusing time was being had by all.
>
>"TRUST ME ELECTIONS"
>
>A member of the Kucinich campaign tried to "wave me off" from
>looking into ballot chain of custody this evening. Another member of
>the Kucinich campaign said she has 100% confidence in the ballot
>chain of custody, even though, when I asked, she admitted she didn't
>know where the ballots go after leaving the towns.
>
>This should be a huge concern for us. As the previous article,
>"Walking into a trap?" indicates, if you order a recount without
>first getting answers to the chain of custody questions, you may end
>up with a sham recount with stuffed or substituted ballots. No
>candidate's campaign should be satisfied with "trust" without asking
>and demanding answers to chain of custody questions.
>
>I was told by one of the Kucinich people that chain of custody has
>always been completely trustworthy in the past, and that I should
>stick to securing the memory cards and chips and not get into ballot
>chain of custody issues. Basing an analysis of the CURRENT chain of
>custody on past (or imagined) chain of custody perceptions is like
>saying, "I won't lock the door tonight because I have locked it in the past."
>
>WHAT'S NEXT?
>
>They are recounting Manchester ballots tomorrow.
>
>PREDICTION: They'll match all right. Exactly as Nancy Tobi
>predicted. This recount will be used to illustrate that the
>LHS-coded voting machines should be trusted.
>
>It's very difficult to prepare articles with documentation and video
>while spending days and nights in the field, but I hope to get more
>information to you shortly about some of the field work of Susan
>Pynchon and Melisa Urda, who visited New Hampshire election sites
>asking questions about ballot accounting procedures, memory card
>storage, and looking into various questions. They obtained a fairly
>horrific document from LHS Associates.
>
>Stay tuned.
>
>Bev Harris, Founder and Director
>Black Box Voting (<http://www.blackboxvoting.org>www.blackboxvoting.org)
>
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